BaZi-ing the unknown Age Factor

BaZi is like a map of a person life. It is able to reveal the major events that happen to a person life as well as the person characteristic. So if a person hides his birthdate or age by giving says may be a different year, are you able to find out? Yes, possible.

Public figures, such as celebrities, politicians, corporate figures and leaders amongst others, have a tendency to maintain a strict privacy over their life for many reasons, e.g. safety, personal space and the impact on their life amongst others. Among the others, the celebrities have the most tendencies to hide their ages especially the Asian's celeb. This is because their age directly impacts their marketability.

Photo from the Star newspaper

The following is real life story which has been related to me through a good friend of mine. The name has been change to keep the person identity anonymous.

This story happened to Jack. Jack is my friend's friend. You might question how true is this story? Well! I can only say, "It is very true to those who are involved whereas for readers like you or kehpoci like me, it is just another story."

Jack met a lady, Andrea, who came from oversea more than 10 years ago in a local joint pub. At that point of time, he did not know who she was because she was not well-known yet in the entertainment industry. It seems that Andrea left the country so as to avoid her creditors to which she owed a large amount of debts. At the same time, she was offered a job in the local entertainment industry at her new place and it was at this time that romance blossomed between the both of them and one thing let to another, Andrea had settled comfortably in her new adopted country. To be exact it was in the Bing Zi year that she came here. She gradually earned a name for herself in her career too. In the mean time, Jack helped her settle a large sum of her debts. Subsequently, both of them registered for marriage and stayed together for 10 years. Their marriage was never acknowledged by Andrea in public and Jack was always introduced as a friend within her social circle. After 10 years of living together, Andrea left Jack, citing that he was not as successful as she expected him to be and for maintaining in his comfort zone without having the incentive to enhance himself. Naturally, Jack felt betrayed, heart broken and viewed her actions as being ungrateful. However, it always takes two to make a relationship work or not work and to be fair, we do not know her side of the story.

What is interesting here is Andrea's age. According to Jack, Andrea is one or two years younger than my friend, which would mean she was either born in the Hai Pig or Zi Rat year. However, to the members of the public, she was born in the Yin Tiger year. Looking at both the natal charts for the Hai Pig and Zi Rat year, the Hai Pig year seemed to have more similarities with her life experiences as there is a clash between the year and the month branches in this natal chart. This clash is an indication that the person will leave his or her home country and move abroad. If my deduction is correct and if she was indeed born in the Hai Pig year, there seemed to be a three years gap between her disclosed age and her actual age. Three years may not seem a lot to some, that is if you can maintain your good looks.

In the study of Chinese Metaphysics, there is this affinity, "Yuan", which cannot be measured or quantified but must be taken into consideration. The affinity can be related to the Law of Attraction, Law of the Universe or the Cosmic Qi, whatever you name it. At the point where Andrea publicly disclosed her new birthdate, she has a new affinity with this new birthdate, which may or may not reflect some features of her life experiences. Furthermore, theoretically speaking, this new birthdate should have some similarity with her actual birthdate as well. So the question is, how far does her new birthdate accurately reflects a her life? Or does it reflects anything at all?

Below are Andrea's two natal charts.

Comparison of Natal Chart A and B

1. Chart A has a gregarious and extrovert nature [Ren Water Day Master, Rob Wealth (RW) and 7 Killings (7K) Stars] while Chart B may seem charming (RW, 7K) but tend to be quieter [Earth Day Master and Eating God (EG)] in nature. Chart A is a performer and entertainer [Hurting Officer (HO) Star on the Hour Branch] whereas Chart B likes to work behind the scene (EG). Both charts reflects very talented individuals and are popular with guys. Chart A's talent comes from building an image, an icon and branding [Ren Chen Pillar (RCP)]. Chart B's talent is more artistic in nature [Wu Shen Pillar (WSP)]. Chart A reflects a shrewd and materialistic businesswoman [RCP and Indirect Wealth (IW) Structure] while Chart B reflects a street smart person (7K) but is idealistic yet a dreamer [Indirect Resource (IR) and Friend (F) Structure]. Chart A can be a drama Queen [HO and 7K, further more is a harm relationship, Mao Rabbit with Chen Dragon] whereas Chart B may bend towards eccentricity (IR). HO also tends to be more lean physically while EG goes to the plumpish side.
   

   In an interview with an e-magazine in 2009, Andrea described herself as a warrior in everyway, from personal relationships, family to work [RCP, a Fui Gong Pillar and also considered a Warrior Pillar]. She is a true warrior indeed, if she is born on the Ren Chen Day Pillar.
   

2. Both natal chart A and B have the Travelling Stars on the Month (M) and Year (Y) Branches [Chart A: Si Snake (M), Hai Pig (Y) and Chart B: Si Snake (M), Tiger (Y)] which is an indication of some travels or movement in the earlier year of her life.
   

   Chart A:
   

   The clash between the Si Snake and the Hai Pig was a clear indication that she left her home country and moved abroad. The clash was also an indication of some trouble related to money [IW in the Si Snake (M)] and friends [Friend Star in Hai Pig (Y)]. In an interview with a well-known newspaper, she mentioned that she was offered a job in the entertainment business in the Bing Zi year. According to Chart A, her age at that time would be 25 and falls within the Luck Pillar (LP) of 20. If you look into her 10-Year LP, the 3 combinations [Hai Pig (F) + Mao Rabbit (HO) + Wei Goat [Direct Officer (DO)] = Wood] formed her output element, which is an indication that she was offered the job through networking. The stem on the LP also shows the HO, which is again her Output Star, and is related to showmanship and performance, which accurately describes the job offered to her. In the Bing Zi year, Bing was her IW Star and Gui inside the Zi was the RW Star, showing that the job she accepted helped her to garner some fame while increasing her income. Her career would not take-off until after 30 as the Yi Wei Luck Pillar was in Death and Emptiness, which was an indication that her work had mediocre result. Relationship wise also did not fair so well too.
   

   Chart B:
   

   Si Snake (M) and Yin Tiger (Y) is a harm relationship. It involved the IR in Si Snake and the 7K in Yin Tiger. The Yin Tiger was also in Death and Emptiness (DE) which was an indication that she would leaved her home between the ages of 1 to 16 on the LP of 10 (Ding Mao, Mao Rabbit was also a DE) due to a guy or troubles with the law or institution. This would have caused a lot of sadness and headache to her parents. LP of 20 also showed the same situation although with now she had a more daring and rebellious attitude. The LP does not show any possibility of a job offer. The Bing Zi year which was in the LP 20, Bing (IR) and Zi [Direct Wealth (DW)] showed that a steady income was earned from creative and unconventional ideas or activities.
   

3. Relation of the above's discussion to my friend's story…
   

   Both charts did indicate the meeting of a guy in their life. While Chart A indicated that this happened through socializing [Hai Pig (F) + Mao Rabbit (HO) + Wei Goat (DO)], Chart B indicates that this happened through travelling during a job assignment [Shen Monkey (EG) and Yin Tiger (7K)].
   

   Chart A indicated money troubles while Chart B did not. Chart B was more of a relationship problem.
   

   Chart A which had the 3 Combination indicated a contract was formed. It can be a job contract as well as a marriage registration (DO was involved). My guesstimate is that she most likely registered the marriage in the Ding Chou year and broke-up in the Bing Xu year. Natal Chart A had a harm relationship between Mao Rabbit (HO) and Chen Dragon (7K). In addition to this, there was no DO in her chart. This shows that her career was her main priority in life and she would likely refrain from acknowledging her husband's identity amongst her social life because it may affect her career. In her chart, her earning power comes from the RW and 7K Stars, which both stars indicates help or deal that are likely come from the opposite sex. In the field of entertainment, this does not bode well for her if the marriage was revealed.
   

   Chart B involves a more complicated relationship. If she was married during the LP of 20, which was not conducive at all to any form of partnership or relationship, she was likely to be involved in an extramarital affair. In this case, she was married to one person and is at the same time in love with another [Mao Rabbit and Shen Monkey hidden combo]. Chart B also have the ungrateful punishment [Yin Tiger+Si Snake+Shen Monkey]. People with this kind of punishment are always pessimistic and always feel short change by others. They always feel that people are not grateful to the deeds that they have done. It is because of this that they also have no qualms in doing the same thing to others. Don't be fool by the people who has this punishment. They always look cheerful and happy outside because the Yin Tiger, Si Snake and Shen Monkey are the Growth Stars. The Growth Star represents youthfulness, bountiful of energetic energy and cheerfulness. Hence, you may say that the punishment reflects Andrea's action to Jack.
   

Verdict:

You cannot really lie about your date of birth especially to a BaZi consultant. Generally if we (Bazi consultants) know your life story, we can relate it to your BaZi chart with some careful analysis. If you disclosed a fake birthdate, it may contain some features that reflect yourself at that point of time because of the affinity formed at that moment. But if we were to study the history of the person more carefully, then the fake BaZi chart just flops.

However, there are exceptional cases like orphans who do not know their birthdate. They have to use the date given to them, it may be the date registered in the birth certificate which is much later than the actual birthday. Then this affinity formed with the given date is stronger because it is used for lifetime. Unlike celebrities, these people will not change their date of birth out of whim or for a more materialistic purpose. Then I would say, "Yes, this given date will likely be a better reflection of the person in term of characteristics and events in the person's life.